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Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Jul 18, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

I too have done this in the past and though your experience differs from mine I still was left with a foul taste in my mouth. Most people would thank me, but sometimes I would go out of my way to help someone out and they would never thank me. THAT ticks me off to no end. I mean if i give you a better weapon, run you for free to a place you can't get to, give you that last item you need to get that pc of armor made...then give me a "thank you" in return. Is that too much to ask?

BurningPants · Jul 18, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

If someone needs help with a particular aspect of the game, like faction, I don't see why people shouldn't help(or mess with them) but I just wish some people would take time out of their busy schedule to learn things on their own.

IxChel · Jul 18, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

I get quite a bit less-than-max damage stuff with low requirements. You really just can't sell these things, yet, they are extremely valueable. So, I go out of my way to find guild members -- or failing that, just about anyone, to give them too.

But, when you give away - attach a moral price, make them promise. Say, "All I ask is that if you can't use this, you give it away; or if you do use it, you find something else to give away later on when you are higher level". If they then go on to sell it... it's their karma at stake. If they want to destroy it... so be it. Never give something away for free; but don't kid yourself that a gift will have an enforceable promise.

silverhail · Jul 18, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

I once gave away a decent purple item to some stranger I did a coop mission with. He said thanks and added me to his friends list. Well I took a quick break at work to log on and show someone something, and the guy messages me asking what is up. I respond just taking a quick break at work and won't be on line long. The guy then asks where I work. I reply that I am not saying since I am on at work *grin*. He then proceeds to beg and berate me to tell him where I work. He then starts typing foul curses etc. Wow. Do someone a favor and they think you owe them answers to personal questions.

Arvydas · Jul 18, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

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Originally Posted by Kaylynn Of Ascalon

I too have done this in the past and though your experience differs from mine I still was left with a foul taste in my mouth. Most people would thank me, but sometimes I would go out of my way to help someone out and they would never thank me. THAT ticks me off to no end. I mean if i give you a better weapon, run you for free to a place you can't get to, give you that last item you need to get that pc of armor made...then give me a "thank you" in return. Is that too much to ask?

i once ran a guy to a collector from Acalon to Regent Valley in Pre.. It wasnt a long way anyway, but he offered me 10 gold for my trouble when we arrived (he didn't get anything out of the collector). I declined it and thanked him for the offer.

i just wish there are more people like this who appreciate other's help.

Old Dood · Jul 18, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Deacon Brodie

Well I consider myself a "nice guy" mostly and often times I'll pick some decent mid level weapons that I like to give away to folks that are at a lower level. I usually head back to Ascalon and find a level 5 etc character to whisper and ask if they would like a weapon for their class for free. So far it's been a pleasant experience and actually I sometimes have a hard time giving it away. However last night I gave a chap a decent mid-level axe (it was one of the quest items in the Shiverpeaks area) and he said thanks then immediately turned around and tried to sell it. Oh well, my loss. Had to figure it might happen right? I did "give" it away. Well he must have told some of his "buds" about it because I got several whispers after that (I did whisper him so it wasn't a "public" conversation) asking for free stuff, heck even gold. So much so that I had to leave the district! Ahhh... so much for being a "nice guy"! Don't know that I'll stop doing it maybe just wear my thickest skin next time

You did a nice thing. So you are a nice guy. Trust me many people will really appreciate what you are doing. I do it too. It is a nice feeling to help someone out of the blue like that.

I was in pre-searing last week and a W/mo came up to me and whisper if I would like a Holy Rod for my Monk. (It was a decent blue item) He spoke in a 18 century kind of speak. He was quite a pleasant individual to have a chat with. He spoke of meeting his "Bride to Be" in the game. So we had a chat about raising a family and all that. He would not take anything for the Gift. I tried to give him something in return for his kindness. He was taken back a little at my gratitude. I don't think he was expecting someone to be that thankful.

It never hurts to be kind and thoughtful in this game or anywhere else for that matter.

duverga · Jul 18, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Back before the scarabs outside of Amnoon Oasis were "adjusted" to remove enchantments my smite monk farmed an awful lot of them. So with hundreds of Jade Mandibles in inventory my usual routine was to pop over to Dunes of Despair, exchange them for a load of max-damage collector swords, and hand the swords out in Yak's Bend. The funny thing is that I often had trouble giving them away since people just didn't understand "free" and kept trying to figure out what kind of a scam I was running. That's kind of sad actually.

Nightsorrow · Jul 18, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I TRY to be a nice guy, but sometimes things happen on GW that make me think "just what is the *insert expletive* point?"

There was 1 night in Droknars Forge however, that was the most fun I've ever had on this game. People were doing random quizzes and giving away whatever they happened to have in their inventory. I joined in, and gave away an Icy Hammer Haft, 400g and some other random thing, can't remember what. Other people had given away max damage weapons, dyes etc. It was just great fun - and gave people a chance to get items without having to farm or anything. I mean, just because you've farmed for X hours, doesn't mean you'll know what the hero from the film "Constantine"'s first name is

Sofonisba · Jul 18, 2005, 11:40 PM // 23:40

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Originally Posted by Nightsorrow

I TRY to be a nice guy, but sometimes things happen on GW that make me think "just what is the *insert expletive* point?"

There was 1 night in Droknars Forge however, that was the most fun I've ever had on this game. People were doing random quizzes and giving away whatever they happened to have in their inventory. I joined in, and gave away an Icy Hammer Haft, 400g and some other random thing, can't remember what. Other people had given away max damage weapons, dyes etc. It was just great fun - and gave people a chance to get items without having to farm or anything. I mean, just because you've farmed for X hours, doesn't mean you'll know what the hero from the film "Constantine"'s first name is

That sounds like a hilarious and creative and fun way to spend your time - along with helping people out! Great idea. I approve.

Nightsorrow · Jul 19, 2005, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

That sounds like a hilarious and creative and fun way to spend your time - along with helping people out! Great idea. I approve.

I wish it was my idea - but I can't take credit. I simply joined in when I saw it happening

Avantos · Jul 19, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18

Usually I don't have enough stuff to give away--which is unfortunate because I often do and enjoy doing so (for example, I gave away a Stormshield in D2 once when they were very rare, and of course many more items of lesser value) but I often answer questions of people on channels.

Although many might not have local chat on, many others do and to find that no one answers is very unfortunate in my opinion.

There truly isn't enough kindness or consideration in most games--or life if you wish to take it that far. I say to Deacon and all the other nice guys (and gals), continue to be nice--we were planning to be anyway, and who knows, it might somehow pay off, even if the payoff is just a nice feeling inside.

StarGatherer · Jul 19, 2005, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by Nightsorrow

I TRY to be a nice guy, but sometimes things happen on GW that make me think "just what is the *insert expletive* point?"

There was 1 night in Droknars Forge however, that was the most fun I've ever had on this game. People were doing random quizzes and giving away whatever they happened to have in their inventory. I joined in, and gave away an Icy Hammer Haft, 400g and some other random thing, can't remember what. Other people had given away max damage weapons, dyes etc. It was just great fun - and gave people a chance to get items without having to farm or anything. I mean, just because you've farmed for X hours, doesn't mean you'll know what the hero from the film "Constantine"'s first name is

wow..i can remember doing that in diabloII back in the day...actually gave away several burizas like that.Glad to see the trivia game is still in practice. KUDOS to the nice guys and it is kind of alrming as to how many peeps think that a free item is a scam of some sort

StarGatherer · Jul 19, 2005, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Oh yeah...My favorite thing to do id listen to the trade chat until i pick up on a sale of something i have and dont need...then start spamming it for free...lol ..pisses off the guy wanting do much for a worthless rune or weapon

generik · Jul 19, 2005, 04:57 AM // 04:57

That's the way things are... experienced travellers to countries like indonesia would probably swear by the rule of not donating to any beggar at all, no matter how needy, for precisely the same reason.

Once you give once, you will be SWAMPED by the entire mob and won't be able to get away...

It is sad to be unable to help, but that's the way it is.

mrpo · Jul 19, 2005, 10:21 AM // 10:21

I played Diablo2 to bits, when I finally gave up I tried several ways to give it all away including....

Dropping a huge load of bits on the floor, de-armoring and challenging people to come get it (great fun)

Hiding a complete set of equipment in a monster infested level (using teleports) or hiding them all round a level near the waypoints

Making sure that low level group were decent folk and poiting out "missed" items that I dropped.

Giving stuff away with no challenge is nice, but its nicer to help someone enjoy the game, someone mentioned that it seems few people help beginners out and that sucks big time.

Po

Aniewiel · Jul 19, 2005, 10:24 AM // 10:24

If I didn't think that the channel would be spammed by dorks, I'd say that a "questions/answers" channel would be nice. That way, there would be a "place" for area newcomers to go and ask their questions of those who like to help that way. It wouldn't tie up the general chat (like that's a loss...LOL!).

Calimar · Jul 19, 2005, 10:28 AM // 10:28

I usually answer reasonable requesto for help - like you're having trouble doing something. But more and more I find people that never even TRIED it. And ask. Beg. Pray.

When I find someone that is (in my personal opinion) a good player (meaning he tries first, listens to pointers, is not arrogant) I give what I have. I don't care about items, there's pretty little I have that is really rare and I find more stuff than I can keep, anyway. But I'd rather sell to merchants than give to people who don't even try - as I mentioned, I refuse to support the beggar community.

JMNERHO.

shady_knife · Jul 19, 2005, 11:15 AM // 11:15

i run people from gernich courthouse to yaks for free, just for fun

iv run so many people there, i love goin in there and seeing people spamming "lvl 20 run to yaks bend for 200gp each" then i go "lvl 20 running to yaks bend for free, invite yourself"

i admit, i ask for donations at the end. but they dont have to pay, and most don't

but i dont care. i like helpin people out.

Numa Pompilius · Jul 19, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36

Here's my suggestion: don't give stuff away, sell it cheaply instead.

I keep max/near max objects with low requirements (there's no need to subsidize high-level players, so I salvage objects with req >9, or sell to merchant) and sell everything in Ascalon for a set price, usually 300 or 400 gold. That's often 1/10th of the real worth, but although even a newbie can afford the gear it doesn't invite freeloaders as much as giving stuff away does.
I'd sell for merchant prices, but I think those are so low they wouldn't discourage freeloaders. I mean, a nonmagical, max damage, req 7, longbow: 69 gold?

Also I've found that people get suspicious if I try to give stuff away. They think it's some sort of scam. They actually seem happier about buying cheap than being given stuff for free.

Mithie · Jul 19, 2005, 12:01 PM // 12:01

If I start a new character, and I find a magical goodie that might be good, I just pick it up and drop it again, hoping that level 5 player next to me is a first-timer.

Jul 18, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43	#23
IxChel Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: http://sof-guild.com/ Guild: Servants of Fortuna Profession: Mo/R	Being Nice... use a Moral price to your gift. I get quite a bit less-than-max damage stuff with low requirements. You really just can't sell these things, yet, they are extremely valueable. So, I go out of my way to find guild members -- or failing that, just about anyone, to give them too. But, when you give away - attach a moral price, make them promise. Say, "All I ask is that if you can't use this, you give it away; or if you do use it, you find something else to give away later on when you are higher level". If they then go on to sell it... it's their karma at stake. If they want to destroy it... so be it. Never give something away for free; but don't kid yourself that a gift will have an enforceable promise.

Jul 18, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32	#21
Kaylynn Of Ascalon Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: California	I too have done this in the past and though your experience differs from mine I still was left with a foul taste in my mouth. Most people would thank me, but sometimes I would go out of my way to help someone out and they would never thank me. THAT ticks me off to no end. I mean if i give you a better weapon, run you for free to a place you can't get to, give you that last item you need to get that pc of armor made...then give me a "thank you" in return. Is that too much to ask?

Jul 18, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37	#22
BurningPants Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: That Other Guild [Tog]	If someone needs help with a particular aspect of the game, like faction, I don't see why people shouldn't help(or mess with them) but I just wish some people would take time out of their busy schedule to learn things on their own.

Jul 18, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59	#24
silverhail Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Jul 2005	I once gave away a decent purple item to some stranger I did a coop mission with. He said thanks and added me to his friends list. Well I took a quick break at work to log on and show someone something, and the guy messages me asking what is up. I respond just taking a quick break at work and won't be on line long. The guy then asks where I work. I reply that I am not saying since I am on at work grin. He then proceeds to beg and berate me to tell him where I work. He then starts typing foul curses etc. Wow. Do someone a favor and they think you owe them answers to personal questions.

Jul 18, 2005, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#27
duverga Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	Back before the scarabs outside of Amnoon Oasis were "adjusted" to remove enchantments my smite monk farmed an awful lot of them. So with hundreds of Jade Mandibles in inventory my usual routine was to pop over to Dunes of Despair, exchange them for a load of max-damage collector swords, and hand the swords out in Yak's Bend. The funny thing is that I often had trouble giving them away since people just didn't understand "free" and kept trying to figure out what kind of a scam I was running. That's kind of sad actually.

Jul 18, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31	#28
Nightsorrow Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Servants of Fortuna Profession: N/	I TRY to be a nice guy, but sometimes things happen on GW that make me think "just what is the insert expletive point?" There was 1 night in Droknars Forge however, that was the most fun I've ever had on this game. People were doing random quizzes and giving away whatever they happened to have in their inventory. I joined in, and gave away an Icy Hammer Haft, 400g and some other random thing, can't remember what. Other people had given away max damage weapons, dyes etc. It was just great fun - and gave people a chance to get items without having to farm or anything. I mean, just because you've farmed for X hours, doesn't mean you'll know what the hero from the film "Constantine"'s first name is

Jul 19, 2005, 04:18 AM // 04:18	#31
Avantos Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005	Usually I don't have enough stuff to give away--which is unfortunate because I often do and enjoy doing so (for example, I gave away a Stormshield in D2 once when they were very rare, and of course many more items of lesser value) but I often answer questions of people on channels. Although many might not have local chat on, many others do and to find that no one answers is very unfortunate in my opinion. There truly isn't enough kindness or consideration in most games--or life if you wish to take it that far. I say to Deacon and all the other nice guys (and gals), continue to be nice--we were planning to be anyway, and who knows, it might somehow pay off, even if the payoff is just a nice feeling inside.

Jul 19, 2005, 04:37 AM // 04:37	#33
StarGatherer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: On a speck of dirt in a great big place Guild: The Resurrected	Oh yeah...My favorite thing to do id listen to the trade chat until i pick up on a sale of something i have and dont need...then start spamming it for free...lol ..pisses off the guy wanting do much for a worthless rune or weapon

Jul 19, 2005, 04:57 AM // 04:57	#34
generik Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005	That's the way things are... experienced travellers to countries like indonesia would probably swear by the rule of not donating to any beggar at all, no matter how needy, for precisely the same reason. Once you give once, you will be SWAMPED by the entire mob and won't be able to get away... It is sad to be unable to help, but that's the way it is.

Jul 19, 2005, 10:21 AM // 10:21	#35
mrpo Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jul 2005	I played Diablo2 to bits, when I finally gave up I tried several ways to give it all away including.... Dropping a huge load of bits on the floor, de-armoring and challenging people to come get it (great fun) Hiding a complete set of equipment in a monster infested level (using teleports) or hiding them all round a level near the waypoints Making sure that low level group were decent folk and poiting out "missed" items that I dropped. Giving stuff away with no challenge is nice, but its nicer to help someone enjoy the game, someone mentioned that it seems few people help beginners out and that sucks big time. Po

Jul 19, 2005, 10:24 AM // 10:24	#36
Aniewiel Smite Mistress Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Land of AZ, USA Profession: Rt/E	If I didn't think that the channel would be spammed by dorks, I'd say that a "questions/answers" channel would be nice. That way, there would be a "place" for area newcomers to go and ask their questions of those who like to help that way. It wouldn't tie up the general chat (like that's a loss...LOL!).

Jul 19, 2005, 10:28 AM // 10:28	#37
Calimar Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Silver Limon Profession: E/Me	I usually answer reasonable requesto for help - like you're having trouble doing something. But more and more I find people that never even TRIED it. And ask. Beg. Pray. When I find someone that is (in my personal opinion) a good player (meaning he tries first, listens to pointers, is not arrogant) I give what I have. I don't care about items, there's pretty little I have that is really rare and I find more stuff than I can keep, anyway. But I'd rather sell to merchants than give to people who don't even try - as I mentioned, I refuse to support the beggar community. JMNERHO.

Jul 19, 2005, 11:15 AM // 11:15	#38
shady_knife Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia, Victoria Profession: R/E	i run people from gernich courthouse to yaks for free, just for fun iv run so many people there, i love goin in there and seeing people spamming "lvl 20 run to yaks bend for 200gp each" then i go "lvl 20 running to yaks bend for free, invite yourself" i admit, i ask for donations at the end. but they dont have to pay, and most don't but i dont care. i like helpin people out.

Jul 19, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36	#39
Numa Pompilius Grotto Attendant Join Date: May 2005 Location: At an Insit.. Intis... a house. Guild: Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF] Profession: W/Me	Here's my suggestion: don't give stuff away, sell it cheaply instead. I keep max/near max objects with low requirements (there's no need to subsidize high-level players, so I salvage objects with req >9, or sell to merchant) and sell everything in Ascalon for a set price, usually 300 or 400 gold. That's often 1/10th of the real worth, but although even a newbie can afford the gear it doesn't invite freeloaders as much as giving stuff away does. I'd sell for merchant prices, but I think those are so low they wouldn't discourage freeloaders. I mean, a nonmagical, max damage, req 7, longbow: 69 gold? Also I've found that people get suspicious if I try to give stuff away. They think it's some sort of scam. They actually seem happier about buying cheap than being given stuff for free.

Jul 19, 2005, 12:01 PM // 12:01	#40
Mithie Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Rest En Pieces [RIP] Profession: Me/W	If I start a new character, and I find a magical goodie that might be good, I just pick it up and drop it again, hoping that level 5 player next to me is a first-timer.